PV:
What is the current situation with charges?
Sandra: Of the fourteen people
charged, nine have had their charges and their University code of
conduct investigations dropped. For the remaining five, one is under
age so his charges are expected to be dropped soon. For others, we will
have to wait and see but we expect them to be vindicated soon. The case
against us is crumbling. But it is crumbling slowly.
PV:
They made you sign a peace bond?
Sandra:
Yes. The nine basically can't
attend any demonstrations in certain buildings for the time we signed
on. We donated $100 to a charitable organization of their choice. If we
break these conditions we pay a $500 fine. We considered not signing.
But we were scared of the student code of conduct charges - scared in
the sense that since they didn't get their way in court, it seemed
likely they would try through the student code of conduct. And we can
now talk to whomever we want.
PV:
Why are the charges being withdrawn?
Sandra:
It is two-fold - we've been
going to court since April. By law, 35 days after our arrest we should
have received "full disclosure," explaining why we were guilty. We
haven't received that, we still haven't got the police notes from the
time of our arrest, and it seems the crown keeps delaying.
But the real
reason was to stop
us organizing. After our arrest we had bail conditions to abide by,
including who we associated with, where we could go on campus, what we
could do. They tried to exhaust us, but they really had nothing against
us.
And it
wasn't that effective.
For example, over 200 people rallied and marched down from the U of T,
to the court building beside city hall. We had a garden party in front
of President Naylor's house, right on his lawn. We went to the Alumni
Association AGM and almost took over the meeting, bringing in proxies.
When Oriel
Varga graduated, she
made herself a gown and embroidered "I spent a night in jail for U of
T's crackdown on student dissent." [Varga was told to leave the
ceremony by police, but had brought her lawyer and so received her
Masters in Education on stage]. Since they laid the charges against us,
we've had at least eight demonstrations. So we organized despite the
bail conditions.
PV:
Would you have expected what you went through?
Sandra:
No. The U of T has tried to
hide that history, but it has had occupations before. But I believe
this is the first time in fifteen years the university has gone to this
extent. While we were worrying about exams, we got the calls from 52
Division of the Toronto Police. The police said they would come into
our exams and arrest us. If you walk into an exam at U of T and write
your name on the paper and then get arrested half-way through, you
automatically fail. That's the rules. It was really tough.
So I've
learned that laws in
Canada are not made for us. The police kept us in custody in little
cold rooms. While we were there, the officers were on the phone with
the administration asking them what kind of bail conditions they
wanted. It was shocking.
PV:
What would you say to other young activists?
Sandra:
I think being arrested is a
risk with every kind of protest. You don't have to take over a
building. At the York University CUPE 3903 strike, students were
arrested on the street. Going through the legal system is not easy, so
you should know your rights. You should also expect to have your emails
hacked, and police officers follow you - we had police officers follow
us to the subway and randomly on campus.
But I am no
longer ambiguous, I
know that this is the same institution that basically wants to crush
students who question the status quo. Once you know about the system, I
speak for myself, but I would rather be one of the people who act than
remaining silent. I guess it is a choice people need to make.